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		<title>Comment on Walkable Cities for People by alevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>alevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 15:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this thoughtful reflection on the place that you live.  What I really liked about this book and also Jan Gehl&#039;s Life Between Buildings is that it helps you think about what aspects of places and streets make them walkable and livable.  Interesting that the place is walkable despite the narrow sidewalks, because other things are good; lots of destinations, a street fabric, social space outdoors. I hope the local street life survives the big box stores, and that there is enough business from bars, restaurants and local conveniences to keep the streets lively.

The neighborhood where I live is relatively dense but is under-developed in terms of small spaces where people can interact on the street; kids play in the street and adults walk and bike but it&#039;s not really a social space.   

re: walking and biking - I think cars are very overused. Why do people use a car to drive a mile for an errand, it&#039;s like like trying to cut dinner with a chainsaw - you destroy the experience you&#039;re trying to have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this thoughtful reflection on the place that you live.  What I really liked about this book and also Jan Gehl&#8217;s Life Between Buildings is that it helps you think about what aspects of places and streets make them walkable and livable.  Interesting that the place is walkable despite the narrow sidewalks, because other things are good; lots of destinations, a street fabric, social space outdoors. I hope the local street life survives the big box stores, and that there is enough business from bars, restaurants and local conveniences to keep the streets lively.</p>
<p>The neighborhood where I live is relatively dense but is under-developed in terms of small spaces where people can interact on the street; kids play in the street and adults walk and bike but it&#8217;s not really a social space.   </p>
<p>re: walking and biking &#8211; I think cars are very overused. Why do people use a car to drive a mile for an errand, it&#8217;s like like trying to cut dinner with a chainsaw &#8211; you destroy the experience you&#8217;re trying to have.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Walkable Cities for People by Jeff Harpell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Harpell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 09:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting that interesting review on a topic that I support.  I wholeheartedly share your interest in making cities walkable and less dependent on driving a car.  Having grown up in east San Jose 40 years ago and later living in cities that have very good public transportation, I know first hand what you gain and what you give up when cities become more pedestrian friendly.  Just as side note about my own feelings toward driving and giving you insight into my own biases, I have never enjoyed it and have always thought of it as what you must do in order to get around and get things done.  The idea of feeling independent and free by driving a car was always blackened by the thought of the expense, the maintenance, and just the responsibility of being a good driver, not to mention getting in an accident with a bad driver.  

I&#039;m now living just outside of Granada in a small town of about 15K people and thought it would be interesting to apply Speck&#039;s criteria from your review.  Of course, Granada and this town have been around longer than the USA has been a country, and I don&#039;t intend to prescribe what works here for America.  Obviously, the cultures are very different.  Gas prices ($7.50/gal), and average Spanish purchasing power (1.1 gal per hour worked) have a huge impact on walking and driving, too. I suspect there are other criteria to making cities walkable and wanted to give that some thought. 

First let me preface my observations describing pedestrian traffic here. I was initially concerned that this village might be dead and devoid of people on the streets. To my surprise this was hardly the case, and since this is also a late night culture, people are out walking until 11.30 or midnight. The streets have a constant flow of cars, but you always see people walking, and all ages. 

Useful. Within just a few minutes walk from anywhere in town, you can accomplish most of life&#039;s daily routine. There are schools, a place of worship, clothing stores, food stores, pharmacies, a medical clinic, tobacco stores, playgrounds, sports fields, and styling salons. There is a tendency for people who are mobile to shop at big box stores in Granada, so there is a campaign here and in other small cities to encourage people to shop local with incentives or contests.  I suspect most locals don&#039;t work in town and either drive or take the bus, which is a 35 minute ride to the city center. 

Interesting. This is such a subjective term, but I understand what is boring when walking. Buildings and population concentrations here are more dense than in much of the USA. Lots of open space in the valley surround Granada and its towns. Walking is interesting because there aren&#039;t big boring stretches of walls, parking lots or setbacks, rather a patchwork of multi-family and single family houses, shops, bars, restaurants, plazas, fountains, street landscaping, etc. 

Safe and comfortable.  Walking here and almost everywhere in Spain seems less stressful than what I&#039;ve experienced on the west or east coast of the USA.  Overall violent crime in the streets is much lower, although in bigger cities, pickpockets are a potential threat.  Driving here is expensive, and they also have a very tough point system that is enforced.  Drivers mostly yield the right of way to pedestrians where there are no lights.  Spanish drivers are not wild drivers and don&#039;t have a reputation for being crazy drivers. Pedestrians benefit from their restraint. 
Comfortable is where I would say in this town the sidewalks have their shortcoming. Sidewalks are quite narrow and barely enough room for two to pass shoulder to shoulder. And yet, this doesn&#039;t seem to deter the locals. I guess they are used to it. And I know they expect to run into each other, so to speak. Which leads me to what I think is missing in terms of another important criterion. 

Social. Even in world cities like NYC, you can have a sense of community based on your walking routines, even if you take public transit, with driving much less so.   And for some people this is a huge advantage of walking, running into familiar faces and maybe even a neighbor.  If I never saw a familiar face ever, I would think I don&#039;t really live there.  The Spanish street is still a place where people hang out, small groups of friends, older retired guys just chatting, families out walking for a late dinner at 10, and even legal public drinking, el bottelón.  Imagine that in the USA!  I don&#039;t think so. 

As Americans become more settled, leave the outer suburbs, and as gas prices continue to increase, and traffic continues to frustrate drivers, I can see an increase in the trend towards less dependency on cars and more walking.  Adina, I think you lead an exemplary life in terms of using your bicycling and walking.  In the meantime, I need to go walk over to the bank and pay my internet bill at the ATM which scans bills with barcodes for payment from my debit card.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting that interesting review on a topic that I support.  I wholeheartedly share your interest in making cities walkable and less dependent on driving a car.  Having grown up in east San Jose 40 years ago and later living in cities that have very good public transportation, I know first hand what you gain and what you give up when cities become more pedestrian friendly.  Just as side note about my own feelings toward driving and giving you insight into my own biases, I have never enjoyed it and have always thought of it as what you must do in order to get around and get things done.  The idea of feeling independent and free by driving a car was always blackened by the thought of the expense, the maintenance, and just the responsibility of being a good driver, not to mention getting in an accident with a bad driver.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m now living just outside of Granada in a small town of about 15K people and thought it would be interesting to apply Speck&#8217;s criteria from your review.  Of course, Granada and this town have been around longer than the USA has been a country, and I don&#8217;t intend to prescribe what works here for America.  Obviously, the cultures are very different.  Gas prices ($7.50/gal), and average Spanish purchasing power (1.1 gal per hour worked) have a huge impact on walking and driving, too. I suspect there are other criteria to making cities walkable and wanted to give that some thought. </p>
<p>First let me preface my observations describing pedestrian traffic here. I was initially concerned that this village might be dead and devoid of people on the streets. To my surprise this was hardly the case, and since this is also a late night culture, people are out walking until 11.30 or midnight. The streets have a constant flow of cars, but you always see people walking, and all ages. </p>
<p>Useful. Within just a few minutes walk from anywhere in town, you can accomplish most of life&#8217;s daily routine. There are schools, a place of worship, clothing stores, food stores, pharmacies, a medical clinic, tobacco stores, playgrounds, sports fields, and styling salons. There is a tendency for people who are mobile to shop at big box stores in Granada, so there is a campaign here and in other small cities to encourage people to shop local with incentives or contests.  I suspect most locals don&#8217;t work in town and either drive or take the bus, which is a 35 minute ride to the city center. </p>
<p>Interesting. This is such a subjective term, but I understand what is boring when walking. Buildings and population concentrations here are more dense than in much of the USA. Lots of open space in the valley surround Granada and its towns. Walking is interesting because there aren&#8217;t big boring stretches of walls, parking lots or setbacks, rather a patchwork of multi-family and single family houses, shops, bars, restaurants, plazas, fountains, street landscaping, etc. </p>
<p>Safe and comfortable.  Walking here and almost everywhere in Spain seems less stressful than what I&#8217;ve experienced on the west or east coast of the USA.  Overall violent crime in the streets is much lower, although in bigger cities, pickpockets are a potential threat.  Driving here is expensive, and they also have a very tough point system that is enforced.  Drivers mostly yield the right of way to pedestrians where there are no lights.  Spanish drivers are not wild drivers and don&#8217;t have a reputation for being crazy drivers. Pedestrians benefit from their restraint.<br />
Comfortable is where I would say in this town the sidewalks have their shortcoming. Sidewalks are quite narrow and barely enough room for two to pass shoulder to shoulder. And yet, this doesn&#8217;t seem to deter the locals. I guess they are used to it. And I know they expect to run into each other, so to speak. Which leads me to what I think is missing in terms of another important criterion. </p>
<p>Social. Even in world cities like NYC, you can have a sense of community based on your walking routines, even if you take public transit, with driving much less so.   And for some people this is a huge advantage of walking, running into familiar faces and maybe even a neighbor.  If I never saw a familiar face ever, I would think I don&#8217;t really live there.  The Spanish street is still a place where people hang out, small groups of friends, older retired guys just chatting, families out walking for a late dinner at 10, and even legal public drinking, el bottelón.  Imagine that in the USA!  I don&#8217;t think so. </p>
<p>As Americans become more settled, leave the outer suburbs, and as gas prices continue to increase, and traffic continues to frustrate drivers, I can see an increase in the trend towards less dependency on cars and more walking.  Adina, I think you lead an exemplary life in terms of using your bicycling and walking.  In the meantime, I need to go walk over to the bank and pay my internet bill at the ATM which scans bills with barcodes for payment from my debit card.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Jarrett Walker’s Human Transit and Peninsula Transit dilemmas by alevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>alevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thinking about buses as a low-end product doesn&#039;t make any sense.  Google, Facebook and other big employers use private buses to transport employees from San Francisco to Silicon Valley.  The buses makes sense because they pick employees up at neighborhood stops, which a train can&#039;t do.

By thinking about buses as a low end product, SamTrans may be losing opportunities to serve a higher end market, and our region is losing out on the ability to serve smaller companies (since the Google and Facebook shuttles are private, and don&#039;t serve smaller employers)

One of the points that Walker makes is that people focus too much on technology rather than on what service the technology can provide. For example, the reason buses are slow is that they get stuck in car traffic. A BRT system, with dedicated right of way and signal pre-emption can be fairly speedy.

Rather than thinking about a bus as a low end product, we should think about ways to make buses a useful part of the system by providing distinctive service, and by connecting to other parts of the system.

Some of SamTrans&#039; most successful lines are the ones that connect to BART and Caltrain.  In that case they are acting as a system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thinking about buses as a low-end product doesn&#8217;t make any sense.  Google, Facebook and other big employers use private buses to transport employees from San Francisco to Silicon Valley.  The buses makes sense because they pick employees up at neighborhood stops, which a train can&#8217;t do.</p>
<p>By thinking about buses as a low end product, SamTrans may be losing opportunities to serve a higher end market, and our region is losing out on the ability to serve smaller companies (since the Google and Facebook shuttles are private, and don&#8217;t serve smaller employers)</p>
<p>One of the points that Walker makes is that people focus too much on technology rather than on what service the technology can provide. For example, the reason buses are slow is that they get stuck in car traffic. A BRT system, with dedicated right of way and signal pre-emption can be fairly speedy.</p>
<p>Rather than thinking about a bus as a low end product, we should think about ways to make buses a useful part of the system by providing distinctive service, and by connecting to other parts of the system.</p>
<p>Some of SamTrans&#8217; most successful lines are the ones that connect to BART and Caltrain.  In that case they are acting as a system.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Jarrett Walker’s Human Transit and Peninsula Transit dilemmas by John Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 00:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand what you (and Walker) are saying about a ridership vs. coverage focus. And I think Caltrain should be ridership-oriented and Samtrans, as a service of last resort, should be coverage-oriented in order to allow freedom of movement in the entire County.

But I disagree in that I don&#039;t think SamTrans is REALLY focused on a coverage basis. The huge cuts over the past several years have definitely moved SamTrans toward a ridership instead of covership basis, with emphasis on ECR corridor service instead of connecting/east-west lines. It would be nice -- as you said -- if Caltrain and SamTrans were thought of as a single system (hopefully with an integrated fare structure). Then, whenever someone suggested Caltrain (or even BART in the North County) as an alternate service for north-south travel, it would be reasonable. But telling a low-income person to take that Menlo Park-San Bruno trip on Caltrain (cost $6.75 each way) instead of SamTrans ($2) just doesn&#039;t fly.

That&#039;s why, if push come to shove, SamTrans SHOULD stop contributing to Caltrain and concentrate on buses. Caltrain already has 51% farebox recovery. Let&#039;s bump that up and take less from Muni, VTA and SamTrans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand what you (and Walker) are saying about a ridership vs. coverage focus. And I think Caltrain should be ridership-oriented and Samtrans, as a service of last resort, should be coverage-oriented in order to allow freedom of movement in the entire County.</p>
<p>But I disagree in that I don&#8217;t think SamTrans is REALLY focused on a coverage basis. The huge cuts over the past several years have definitely moved SamTrans toward a ridership instead of covership basis, with emphasis on ECR corridor service instead of connecting/east-west lines. It would be nice &#8212; as you said &#8212; if Caltrain and SamTrans were thought of as a single system (hopefully with an integrated fare structure). Then, whenever someone suggested Caltrain (or even BART in the North County) as an alternate service for north-south travel, it would be reasonable. But telling a low-income person to take that Menlo Park-San Bruno trip on Caltrain (cost $6.75 each way) instead of SamTrans ($2) just doesn&#8217;t fly.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why, if push come to shove, SamTrans SHOULD stop contributing to Caltrain and concentrate on buses. Caltrain already has 51% farebox recovery. Let&#8217;s bump that up and take less from Muni, VTA and SamTrans.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Eager for Google+ API &#8211; circles for social applications by Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.alevin.com/?p=2606&#038;cpage=1#comment-7102</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 18:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are waiting so that the app dev companies which they own get a head start! While they utilize feed back to create apps.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Competing on moderation by alevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>alevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 03:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing is, it is easier for trolls to affect a celebrity&#039;s community than an ordinary or micro-famous person.  I wonder whether some celebrities will learn to handle the crowds and thrive, while others will lose following because they can&#039;t handle the crowds.  The question is will problems with celebrities chase away the rest of us, or whether we&#039;ll be fine without their noise.   I actually feel pretty confident with Google&#039;s ability to handle spammers (as opposed to trolls). They do a great job with gmail and I expect they&#039;ll extend those chops in G+.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing is, it is easier for trolls to affect a celebrity&#8217;s community than an ordinary or micro-famous person.  I wonder whether some celebrities will learn to handle the crowds and thrive, while others will lose following because they can&#8217;t handle the crowds.  The question is will problems with celebrities chase away the rest of us, or whether we&#8217;ll be fine without their noise.   I actually feel pretty confident with Google&#8217;s ability to handle spammers (as opposed to trolls). They do a great job with gmail and I expect they&#8217;ll extend those chops in G+.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Competing on moderation by Edward Vielmetti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Vielmetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 03:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adina -

I think that Google+ will eventually be self-limiting in part due to the limitations that people have on adequately monitoring the quality of the comments on their threads. In the absence of tools to manage spammers and trolls, comment threads tend towards chaos. I think you&#039;ll find that as the population of Google+ enlarges towards the size of the entire net, that it will start to attract opportunists who will be parasitic on the largest voices and start to clobber the quality of the &quot;engagement&quot; that they have.

Broadcast media like Twitter already have part of this problem with spammers hijacking threads and at-replies, and there&#039;s no reason to believe that the same population won&#039;t take every opportunity to colonize Google+ with the same set of techniques.</description>
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<p>I think that Google+ will eventually be self-limiting in part due to the limitations that people have on adequately monitoring the quality of the comments on their threads. In the absence of tools to manage spammers and trolls, comment threads tend towards chaos. I think you&#8217;ll find that as the population of Google+ enlarges towards the size of the entire net, that it will start to attract opportunists who will be parasitic on the largest voices and start to clobber the quality of the &#8220;engagement&#8221; that they have.</p>
<p>Broadcast media like Twitter already have part of this problem with spammers hijacking threads and at-replies, and there&#8217;s no reason to believe that the same population won&#8217;t take every opportunity to colonize Google+ with the same set of techniques.</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Mom craves Google+ by alevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>alevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 07:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will do!  She&#039;s an earlybird on the US East Coast so I think she missed this evening&#039;s open signup.

There are a couple of parts to the question. The first is does she and others in her non-techy circles know about and want to try Google+, and do they have the Facebook sharing problem that G+ is designed to address. The answer is clearly yes.  The second is will she actually find Google a usable tool to address those concerns. We&#039;ll see!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will do!  She&#8217;s an earlybird on the US East Coast so I think she missed this evening&#8217;s open signup.</p>
<p>There are a couple of parts to the question. The first is does she and others in her non-techy circles know about and want to try Google+, and do they have the Facebook sharing problem that G+ is designed to address. The answer is clearly yes.  The second is will she actually find Google a usable tool to address those concerns. We&#8217;ll see!</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Mom craves Google+ by Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 07:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A more interesting post would be the feedback from your Mom, regarding Google+. If, in fact, it is much easier and is suitable solution. That would be telling for Google+&#039;s future. Do follow up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A more interesting post would be the feedback from your Mom, regarding Google+. If, in fact, it is much easier and is suitable solution. That would be telling for Google+&#8217;s future. Do follow up!</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Mom craves Google+ by missrain</title>
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		<dc:creator>missrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 05:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t say the technical crowd is sitting back stroking their goatees and opining about the non-tech masses. Most of us spend a fair amount of time playing IT Support for our non-technical family and friends, and we get to hear all about their concerns and preferences for various products, FB and G+ included.

I&#039;m guessing the G+ rollout naturally begins with techies because that group is eager to get on board and will help get the G+ community rolling quickly. Also, they will help groom the product into a more mature state by reporting flaws and providing useful feedback. We can work with the product in an unfinished state, whereas the more general public might find it lacking initially and just bail.

Facebook&#039;s core is its advertisers, not its users. They want more of whatever demographic group gets them the most ad revenue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t say the technical crowd is sitting back stroking their goatees and opining about the non-tech masses. Most of us spend a fair amount of time playing IT Support for our non-technical family and friends, and we get to hear all about their concerns and preferences for various products, FB and G+ included.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing the G+ rollout naturally begins with techies because that group is eager to get on board and will help get the G+ community rolling quickly. Also, they will help groom the product into a more mature state by reporting flaws and providing useful feedback. We can work with the product in an unfinished state, whereas the more general public might find it lacking initially and just bail.</p>
<p>Facebook&#8217;s core is its advertisers, not its users. They want more of whatever demographic group gets them the most ad revenue.</p>
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