{"id":528,"date":"2004-02-17T09:13:22","date_gmt":"2004-02-17T14:13:22","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.alevin.com\/?p=528"},"modified":"2004-02-17T09:13:22","modified_gmt":"2004-02-17T14:13:22","slug":"censorship-politeness","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.alevin.com\/?p=528","title":{"rendered":"Censorship != Politeness"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Shelley Powers equates community norms with self-censorship.  I think Shelley&#8217;s right in the extreme case, and wrong for the ordinary case.<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/weblog.burningbird.net\/fires\/connecting\/community_member_or_writer.htm\">Shelly writes<\/a>: &#8220;I guess we&#8217;re accountable to each other, and that&#8217;s the most dangerous censorship of all &#8212; it&#8217;s the censorship of the commons.&#8221;<br \/>\nAs I&#8217;ve said in <a href=\"http:\/\/joi.ito.com\/archives\/2004\/02\/15\/communities_and_echo_chambers.html#n015956\">comments<\/a> to Joi Ito&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/joi.ito.com\/archives\/2004\/02\/15\/communities_and_echo_chambers.html\">post on the topic<\/a>, there&#8217;s a distinction between groupthink &#8212; when someone silences an unpopular opinion in the face of social norms &#8212; and basic politeness.<br \/>\nI don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a bad idea to use a moderate tone when you&#8217;re critizing someone&#8217;s idea, when you&#8217;re speaking directly to that person in front of others. (Assuming the idea you&#8217;re critizicing is within the realm of civilized discourse).<br \/>\nNothing useful is gained by hurting the person&#8217;s feelings, or embarrassing them in public.<br \/>\nHere&#8217;s what I <a href=\"http:\/\/alevin.com\/weblog\/archives\/001323.html\">said in my blog about Don Park&#8217;s proposed relationship UI<\/a>. The post on my blog uses a rant tone to project the idea in a noisy blogosphere.<br \/>\nAnd here&#8217;s the more <a href=\"http:\/\/www.docuverse.com\/blog\/donpark\/EntryViewPage.aspx?guid=6080f857-4784-4679-8e41-c6881ed933ce\">diplomatic version<\/a> in the comments to Don Park&#8217;s blog.  I had never really spoken to Don before this conversation.  I certainly didn&#8217;t want to insult or alienate Don, though I disagree with his point.<br \/>\nNow that we&#8217;ve chatted a bit in comments here and there,  I&#8217;d feel comfortable being a bit more blunt, though not yet rude.<br \/>\nIn social life, there&#8217;s a range of ways to say true things, depending on social context. Except at the outer reaches of diplomatic obfuscation, politeness isn&#8217;t the same as lying or censorship. Being brutally blunt at all times just yields flamewars with no socially redeeming value.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Shelley Powers equates community norms with self-censorship. I think Shelley&#8217;s right in the extreme case, and wrong for the ordinary case. Shelly writes: &#8220;I guess we&#8217;re accountable to each other, and that&#8217;s the most dangerous censorship of all &#8212; it&#8217;s the censorship of the commons.&#8221; As I&#8217;ve said in comments to Joi Ito&#8217;s post on &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.alevin.com\/?p=528\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Censorship != Politeness&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[9],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-528","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-culture"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/prDRq-8w","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.alevin.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/528","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.alevin.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.alevin.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.alevin.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.alevin.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=528"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.alevin.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/528\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.alevin.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=528"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.alevin.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=528"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.alevin.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=528"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}